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		<title>Comment on Anti-gay Quotes from Rev. DL Foster by Five Year Old Killed for Being Gay. &#171; Life Without a Net</title>
		<link>http://joebrummer.com/WordPress/?p=279#comment-50218</link>
		<dc:creator>Five Year Old Killed for Being Gay. &#171; Life Without a Net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2011 20:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Yes&#8230; I know&#8230; they&#8217;re not part of the &#8220;mainstream,&#8221; and their beliefs are not sanctioned by the &#8220;official&#8221; religious powers that be &#8212; at least in America.  But good American Christians should not sit too smugly in condemnation of such &#8220;obvious&#8221; perversion of the &#8220;true will of God.&#8221;  There are plenty of American religious leaders whose comments skirt the edge of inciting violence against gays, much closer to home: &#8220;Blaming “homophobia” for any bad thing that happens to homosexuals is to hide under the bed of self-delusion. It denies the homosexual’s need for God’s grace and mercy, and tricks him or her into persisting in rebellion. It ignores the medical problems that this behavior naturally incurs; and it denies the wider societal problems &#8211; the decline of the family, the loss of faith in God and in the future, and the erosion of democratic institutions.&#8221; (LINK) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Yes&#8230; I know&#8230; they&#8217;re not part of the &#8220;mainstream,&#8221; and their beliefs are not sanctioned by the &#8220;official&#8221; religious powers that be &#8212; at least in America.  But good American Christians should not sit too smugly in condemnation of such &#8220;obvious&#8221; perversion of the &#8220;true will of God.&#8221;  There are plenty of American religious leaders whose comments skirt the edge of inciting violence against gays, much closer to home: &#8220;Blaming “homophobia” for any bad thing that happens to homosexuals is to hide under the bed of self-delusion. It denies the homosexual’s need for God’s grace and mercy, and tricks him or her into persisting in rebellion. It ignores the medical problems that this behavior naturally incurs; and it denies the wider societal problems &#8211; the decline of the family, the loss of faith in God and in the future, and the erosion of democratic institutions.&#8221; (LINK) [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on SPLC Updates List of Hate Groups Now includes Peter LaBarbera by adam kautz</title>
		<link>http://joebrummer.com/WordPress/?p=1239#comment-48530</link>
		<dc:creator>adam kautz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 22:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Joe unfortunately, Peter has been driven mad by religious devotion and no amount of debate will ever convince him he's wrong, he even said in an interview that even if a child of his came out to him he wouldn't change his strategy. Because he said and I quote "You don't change timeless truths because of one personal experience." When the real truth of the matter is that the Christian church has always changed what it once called sinful. Once the bible was used to justify by people like him the institution of slavery, the subjugation of women, segregation, the crusades and on and on. The only thing that is constant about the Church of Christ is the gospel of grace. And people like him need to realize that they only have themselves to blame for landing on the SPLC's list of hate groups. So he should stop looking at mysticism or blaming outside influences from putting him on the list and take a good long look in the mirror.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Joe unfortunately, Peter has been driven mad by religious devotion and no amount of debate will ever convince him he&#8217;s wrong, he even said in an interview that even if a child of his came out to him he wouldn&#8217;t change his strategy. Because he said and I quote &#8220;You don&#8217;t change timeless truths because of one personal experience.&#8221; When the real truth of the matter is that the Christian church has always changed what it once called sinful. Once the bible was used to justify by people like him the institution of slavery, the subjugation of women, segregation, the crusades and on and on. The only thing that is constant about the Church of Christ is the gospel of grace. And people like him need to realize that they only have themselves to blame for landing on the SPLC&#8217;s list of hate groups. So he should stop looking at mysticism or blaming outside influences from putting him on the list and take a good long look in the mirror.</p>
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		<title>Comment on November Issue of Get Magazine by Lisa Ford Berry</title>
		<link>http://joebrummer.com/WordPress/?p=1237#comment-47012</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Ford Berry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 23:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Joe,
I just read your article, and to say I am moved is an understatement.  I could feel your pain, and you are so right the mesg, that society sends our youth is horrible.  My son Michael was a victim of bullycide.  He shot himself on his 17th birthday September 15, 2008.  A kid in his 4th period (he sat directly behind Michael) texted, emailed, put up on Myspace that Michael was gay (I am cleaning up the actual quote) but this kid thought it would be funny to blast to my son's world Mira Loma High School)  that he was gay because he was a virgin.  Michael never self identified as gay - my husband and I raised our boys to be who they wanted to be - I ask myself why so many times because we had so many conversations about so many things and my sons knew they were loved unconditionally.  Sexuality is simply not a deal breaker for me, nor was it for the boys, but your article brought up a point I have not thought of in two years of grieving, and that's the part that society plays - I wonder if Michael gave what the world thought more creedence than what we his family thought.  I have started an organization B.R.A.V.E. Bullies Really ARE Violating Everyone.  I would like to post your article on our site - more people need to read this - so many adults are apathetic to peer abuse in our schools.

Beautifully written,
Lisa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Joe,<br />
I just read your article, and to say I am moved is an understatement.  I could feel your pain, and you are so right the mesg, that society sends our youth is horrible.  My son Michael was a victim of bullycide.  He shot himself on his 17th birthday September 15, 2008.  A kid in his 4th period (he sat directly behind Michael) texted, emailed, put up on Myspace that Michael was gay (I am cleaning up the actual quote) but this kid thought it would be funny to blast to my son&#8217;s world Mira Loma High School)  that he was gay because he was a virgin.  Michael never self identified as gay - my husband and I raised our boys to be who they wanted to be - I ask myself why so many times because we had so many conversations about so many things and my sons knew they were loved unconditionally.  Sexuality is simply not a deal breaker for me, nor was it for the boys, but your article brought up a point I have not thought of in two years of grieving, and that&#8217;s the part that society plays - I wonder if Michael gave what the world thought more creedence than what we his family thought.  I have started an organization B.R.A.V.E. Bullies Really ARE Violating Everyone.  I would like to post your article on our site - more people need to read this - so many adults are apathetic to peer abuse in our schools.</p>
<p>Beautifully written,<br />
Lisa</p>
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		<title>Comment on VIDEO:  Expensive Shoes vs. Human Life (The choice is easy, right?) by Pan Vera</title>
		<link>http://joebrummer.com/WordPress/?p=1229#comment-41716</link>
		<dc:creator>Pan Vera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really nice Joe, Good find! Thanks for sharing.

Why with just a little editing it would be completely NVC, but the spirit is truly there.

Warmly,
Pan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really nice Joe, Good find! Thanks for sharing.</p>
<p>Why with just a little editing it would be completely NVC, but the spirit is truly there.</p>
<p>Warmly,<br />
Pan</p>
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		<title>Comment on VIDEO: The Empathetic Civilization by Joe Brummer</title>
		<link>http://joebrummer.com/WordPress/?p=1228#comment-41601</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Brummer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 02:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been meaning to write a review of that book too!  Great stuff.  I learned so much about emapthy and what it really means as an evolutionary process, a natural response.  Happy to hear you are reading it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been meaning to write a review of that book too!  Great stuff.  I learned so much about emapthy and what it really means as an evolutionary process, a natural response.  Happy to hear you are reading it!</p>
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		<title>Comment on VIDEO: The Empathetic Civilization by Peter de Kock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter de Kock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 09:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks a lot Joe for sharing this inspiring video. I am reading the book 'The age of empathy' by Frans de Waal and find lots of connections between this book and the video. They both give a message of faith and confidence about the human race and our planet. Thanks again for sharing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks a lot Joe for sharing this inspiring video. I am reading the book &#8216;The age of empathy&#8217; by Frans de Waal and find lots of connections between this book and the video. They both give a message of faith and confidence about the human race and our planet. Thanks again for sharing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Peace Takes Action, Not Signs by Peace Sign Man</title>
		<link>http://joebrummer.com/WordPress/?p=1227#comment-41536</link>
		<dc:creator>Peace Sign Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 23:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Action is to the key ingredient to any plan. A plan without action is just talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Action is to the key ingredient to any plan. A plan without action is just talk.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How Does Hate Speech Kill People, Part II by Joe Brummer</title>
		<link>http://joebrummer.com/WordPress/?p=1154#comment-40886</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Brummer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would say I agree with you.  I don't think we benefit from moral judgment in anyway.  As for your comment about the civil right movement, it wasn't a moral judgment of people.  It was a judgment of their actions.  I believe we can evaluate people's actions to see if they are meeting needs without judging the people with deserve language. 

Actually Robert, I addressed those issues here in a post called: “Can we talk about the word Bigot?” &lt;a href="http://joebrummer.com/WordPress/?p=1204" rel="nofollow"&gt;You can read it here &lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say I agree with you.  I don&#8217;t think we benefit from moral judgment in anyway.  As for your comment about the civil right movement, it wasn&#8217;t a moral judgment of people.  It was a judgment of their actions.  I believe we can evaluate people&#8217;s actions to see if they are meeting needs without judging the people with deserve language. </p>
<p>Actually Robert, I addressed those issues here in a post called: “Can we talk about the word Bigot?” <a href="http://joebrummer.com/WordPress/?p=1204" rel="nofollow">You can read it here </a></p>
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		<title>Comment on How Does Hate Speech Kill People, Part II by Robert</title>
		<link>http://joebrummer.com/WordPress/?p=1154#comment-40883</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 05:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And how about the extreme moralistic language coming from the pro-gay crowd - like people who are against gay marriage are "bigots."  Under your theory we can never oppose the actions of others for moral reasons.  I guess you would have been against the civil rights movement in the 60's because that was basically a moral movement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And how about the extreme moralistic language coming from the pro-gay crowd - like people who are against gay marriage are &#8220;bigots.&#8221;  Under your theory we can never oppose the actions of others for moral reasons.  I guess you would have been against the civil rights movement in the 60&#8217;s because that was basically a moral movement.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Medical Dangers of Homosexuality REFUTED by Even if Homosexuality WERE Unnatural; How Does that Make it Immoral? - Page 18 - Religious Education Forum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Even if Homosexuality WERE Unnatural; How Does that Make it Immoral? - Page 18 - Religious Education Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 17:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] were too broad). A summary of these issues can be found here:  Gay Mental Health     from here. So even when talking about men, Dr. Diggs is not telling the truth. What might prompt him to lie?  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] were too broad). A summary of these issues can be found here:  Gay Mental Health     from here. So even when talking about men, Dr. Diggs is not telling the truth. What might prompt him to lie?  [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on VIDEO:  Presentation at the Dae Yen Sa International Buddhist Temple by Chris Thomas</title>
		<link>http://joebrummer.com/WordPress/?p=1216#comment-40636</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found the video leaving me hanging for the next line. It was so interesting. I would love to see a clip of an activity you use during your trainings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found the video leaving me hanging for the next line. It was so interesting. I would love to see a clip of an activity you use during your trainings.</p>
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		<title>Comment on VIDEO:  Presentation at the Dae Yen Sa International Buddhist Temple by Xan</title>
		<link>http://joebrummer.com/WordPress/?p=1216#comment-40582</link>
		<dc:creator>Xan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great! These videos are a great communication tool.  I admire your courage, as well, in posting a video.  When I look at myself on video, what I always notice are my faults, and I chicken out on posting it.  The light reflecting off some object on the far side of the room was slightly distracting but not overwhelming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great! These videos are a great communication tool.  I admire your courage, as well, in posting a video.  When I look at myself on video, what I always notice are my faults, and I chicken out on posting it.  The light reflecting off some object on the far side of the room was slightly distracting but not overwhelming.</p>
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		<title>Comment on VIDEO: Back on My Feet&#8217;s Anne Mahlum on NBC Nightly News Making A Difference by Aaron</title>
		<link>http://joebrummer.com/WordPress/?p=1210#comment-40192</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 02:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an amazing person! This woman is one of the most beneficial communicators I have seen in recent memory. We need more people like her.</description>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;I&#8217;m proud to go to jail for housing the homeless&#8221; by Joe Brummer</title>
		<link>http://joebrummer.com/WordPress/?p=1209#comment-39898</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Brummer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much like King, he is bringing light to widespread injustice.  They are asking this man to bring tents and trailers up to code which they know full well he is not capable of doing and more importantly, I am not sure it is his responsibility to do so.  That is the injustice I see here.  Rather than the state coming in and helping this man take care of those less fortunate, they are preventing him from doing and they are not willing to do it.

So where is the injustice is what I think Gandhi would ask.  Is the injustice that this man is ignoring the law by doing what he is doing or is the law ignoring him by doing what it is doing.   I believe the latter of the two to be true.  The state is ignoring the humanity of the situation in favor of paper laws.  I would like to believe we as humans, when prompted by appropriate circumstances, will work to serve humans over laws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much like King, he is bringing light to widespread injustice.  They are asking this man to bring tents and trailers up to code which they know full well he is not capable of doing and more importantly, I am not sure it is his responsibility to do so.  That is the injustice I see here.  Rather than the state coming in and helping this man take care of those less fortunate, they are preventing him from doing and they are not willing to do it.</p>
<p>So where is the injustice is what I think Gandhi would ask.  Is the injustice that this man is ignoring the law by doing what he is doing or is the law ignoring him by doing what it is doing.   I believe the latter of the two to be true.  The state is ignoring the humanity of the situation in favor of paper laws.  I would like to believe we as humans, when prompted by appropriate circumstances, will work to serve humans over laws.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;I&#8217;m proud to go to jail for housing the homeless&#8221; by Xan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm very interested in your thoughts analyzing how Gandhi / Satyagraha's concept of nonviolent action / protest applies to this situation?  Before resorting to civil disobedience, I think we must first be blameless and I'm not sure that he is: (1) I wonder if he could achieve his objective within the bounds of the law?  (a) I first wonder if he may be "grandfathered" in legally and thus have legal grounds to appeal; namely, if his use of his property pre-dates the date of the ordinance; (b) he's in violation of safety / health ordinances, and the article says he has refused offers to bring the buildings up to safety standards; do we have a right to remain out of compliance with law just because we "want" to, or do we have a duty to do our part to stay within the bounds of the law if at all possible, in this case by accepting improvements to property? (2) Does the harm from going to jail outweigh the benefit, for instance if now there is no alternative at all for the people who formerly lived there and will be evicted as a result of his action?  In other words, what does he hope to accomplish by going to jail?  In King's case, he called attention to a widespread injustice.  In this case, not sure the injustice is widespread enough to benefit thousands by sacrifice of a few?  ...  Curious about your thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very interested in your thoughts analyzing how Gandhi / Satyagraha&#8217;s concept of nonviolent action / protest applies to this situation?  Before resorting to civil disobedience, I think we must first be blameless and I&#8217;m not sure that he is: (1) I wonder if he could achieve his objective within the bounds of the law?  (a) I first wonder if he may be &#8220;grandfathered&#8221; in legally and thus have legal grounds to appeal; namely, if his use of his property pre-dates the date of the ordinance; (b) he&#8217;s in violation of safety / health ordinances, and the article says he has refused offers to bring the buildings up to safety standards; do we have a right to remain out of compliance with law just because we &#8220;want&#8221; to, or do we have a duty to do our part to stay within the bounds of the law if at all possible, in this case by accepting improvements to property? (2) Does the harm from going to jail outweigh the benefit, for instance if now there is no alternative at all for the people who formerly lived there and will be evicted as a result of his action?  In other words, what does he hope to accomplish by going to jail?  In King&#8217;s case, he called attention to a widespread injustice.  In this case, not sure the injustice is widespread enough to benefit thousands by sacrifice of a few?  &#8230;  Curious about your thoughts?</p>
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		<title>Comment on VIDEO: Frans de Waal, Author of The Age of Empathy by Joe Brummer</title>
		<link>http://joebrummer.com/WordPress/?p=1205#comment-39860</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Brummer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After re-reading that sentence, I am changing it.  There is competition in nature and I should have clarified what I meant when I wrote that.  So, I will fix it. 

In nature, competition (as I understand it from this book) isn't the step on each other purposeful get ahead at the expense of others idea that Social Darwinism would say is natural.  When a lion eats its prey, it is unlikely he thinks the prey deserved it for being weak.  Social Darwinism would say the prey deserved it because it was weak, lazy, less than, etc.  I perhaps worded my sentence poorly but that is what I was thinking when I wrote it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After re-reading that sentence, I am changing it.  There is competition in nature and I should have clarified what I meant when I wrote that.  So, I will fix it. </p>
<p>In nature, competition (as I understand it from this book) isn&#8217;t the step on each other purposeful get ahead at the expense of others idea that Social Darwinism would say is natural.  When a lion eats its prey, it is unlikely he thinks the prey deserved it for being weak.  Social Darwinism would say the prey deserved it because it was weak, lazy, less than, etc.  I perhaps worded my sentence poorly but that is what I was thinking when I wrote it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on VIDEO: Frans de Waal, Author of The Age of Empathy by Evan</title>
		<link>http://joebrummer.com/WordPress/?p=1205#comment-39856</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 07:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there is no competition why is there a need for security?

But I do like to emphasise how pervasive co-operation is.

Looking forward to your review of the book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there is no competition why is there a need for security?</p>
<p>But I do like to emphasise how pervasive co-operation is.</p>
<p>Looking forward to your review of the book.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Can We Talk About the Word &#8220;Bigot&#8221; by Joe Brummer</title>
		<link>http://joebrummer.com/WordPress/?p=1204#comment-39846</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Brummer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 14:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evan,
Here are my thoughts after reading your comments.  

1) What I find nice about separating people from problems, is that is allows you to really see what the problem is and how it can be solved.  When we see people as the problem, it becomes personalized and individualized.  In the case of your Grandmother, if she was really the problem, why is that problem still alive today?  Answer:  She wasn't the problem or a bigot.  She just didn't know better. I truly believe if people knew better, they would do better.  My father's father was the same way.  I cringed when I heard him use the "n" word.  Yet, he was a very compassionate man who cared about others. I think, had he learned to do something different, he would have.  I believe the same to be true of your Grandmother.  If we see the "bigots" as the problem, we won't ever address the real problems and those are ignorance and fear.  If we don't believe people will change, how will they ever believe they can change? 

2)Those who hold prejudice teach it to their children. It won't die out as you have stated. Prejudice, hate and bigotry will outlive you.  It has been alive for years.  The target groups change from century to century yet bigotry and fear have remained. Jews, Blacks, Irish, Italians, Native Americans, Gays and Lesbians and now today, Arabs and Mexicans.  At one time or another, the groups suffering at the hands of bigotry and fear have changed, the fear doesn't die off, it needs to be calmed and changed by those willing to face it head on.  You can use military force to stop genocide but to end hate takes love.  You can't force, even by threat, others to change their beliefs.  You can change those beliefs through listening, understanding and compassion.  It takes time. 

GLBT folks may get their rights in the courts, it will take time to change attitudes, calm fears and enlighten hearts so that we can truly see a different world.  

In the end, I have seen that those with bigoted views are not dying off faster than they can reproduce.  According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, they are growing in rapid numbers as hate groups are on the rise, including those who are anti-gay. 

3) Compassion is better for you.  I can feel the anger in your words.  There is nothing compassionate about "fuck her" or "Fuck them" it is anger turned at people.  Again, while your busy being angry at them, the problems still fester below because while your busy being angry at the people, the problems live on.

I have also learned that going around to groups and telling them my story of being bashed twice for being gay, telling them how I believe there is a better way and then teaching them what that is (nonviolence) has changed way more minds and hearts than I ever could by saying "fuck them they will die off anyway."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan,<br />
Here are my thoughts after reading your comments.  </p>
<p>1) What I find nice about separating people from problems, is that is allows you to really see what the problem is and how it can be solved.  When we see people as the problem, it becomes personalized and individualized.  In the case of your Grandmother, if she was really the problem, why is that problem still alive today?  Answer:  She wasn&#8217;t the problem or a bigot.  She just didn&#8217;t know better. I truly believe if people knew better, they would do better.  My father&#8217;s father was the same way.  I cringed when I heard him use the &#8220;n&#8221; word.  Yet, he was a very compassionate man who cared about others. I think, had he learned to do something different, he would have.  I believe the same to be true of your Grandmother.  If we see the &#8220;bigots&#8221; as the problem, we won&#8217;t ever address the real problems and those are ignorance and fear.  If we don&#8217;t believe people will change, how will they ever believe they can change? </p>
<p>2)Those who hold prejudice teach it to their children. It won&#8217;t die out as you have stated. Prejudice, hate and bigotry will outlive you.  It has been alive for years.  The target groups change from century to century yet bigotry and fear have remained. Jews, Blacks, Irish, Italians, Native Americans, Gays and Lesbians and now today, Arabs and Mexicans.  At one time or another, the groups suffering at the hands of bigotry and fear have changed, the fear doesn&#8217;t die off, it needs to be calmed and changed by those willing to face it head on.  You can use military force to stop genocide but to end hate takes love.  You can&#8217;t force, even by threat, others to change their beliefs.  You can change those beliefs through listening, understanding and compassion.  It takes time. </p>
<p>GLBT folks may get their rights in the courts, it will take time to change attitudes, calm fears and enlighten hearts so that we can truly see a different world.  </p>
<p>In the end, I have seen that those with bigoted views are not dying off faster than they can reproduce.  According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, they are growing in rapid numbers as hate groups are on the rise, including those who are anti-gay. </p>
<p>3) Compassion is better for you.  I can feel the anger in your words.  There is nothing compassionate about &#8220;fuck her&#8221; or &#8220;Fuck them&#8221; it is anger turned at people.  Again, while your busy being angry at them, the problems still fester below because while your busy being angry at the people, the problems live on.</p>
<p>I have also learned that going around to groups and telling them my story of being bashed twice for being gay, telling them how I believe there is a better way and then teaching them what that is (nonviolence) has changed way more minds and hearts than I ever could by saying &#8220;fuck them they will die off anyway.&#8221;</p>
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		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing, Valorie:

To put it in perspective, YES, we all say stupid or intolerant things at times.

But those of us who truly strive toward tolerance and equality, when we say these things:

A.  Say them in a group of like-minded individuals, who know that we are being brilliantly snarky/sarcastic/ironic.  This is my specialty.

B.  Say them, and are open to criticism when it's suggested that we're wrong.

But my suggestion here is that there is a segment of society which is not worth reaching.  I'm not saying I want to deny their happiness.  I want them to be as happy as they can be, while they live their sheltered, ignorant lives into the ground.

I remember, after my grandmother died, I had this argument with my mother, who was using the guilt factor on my brother and me (brother and I are agnostic):

She:  "She didn't question it, like you two.  She just BELIEVED ON IT."

Me:  "Yeah, well, good for her."

Grandmother was also a rank bigot who, after finding out I was gay, wrote an 8 page handwritten hate letter to me (FOR MY BIRTHDAY!), and who bitched and moaned about the gay pride parade in Hot Springs, Arkansas.  Oh, also, she was not a fan of the niggers, I mean coloreds, I mean blacks.

So seriously, fuck her.  And all people like her.  They're dying faster than their kind can reproduce.  Why in the hell should we coddle them and spend our precious lives trying to find fucking "common ground" with them?  Give me a goddamned break.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing, Valorie:</p>
<p>To put it in perspective, YES, we all say stupid or intolerant things at times.</p>
<p>But those of us who truly strive toward tolerance and equality, when we say these things:</p>
<p>A.  Say them in a group of like-minded individuals, who know that we are being brilliantly snarky/sarcastic/ironic.  This is my specialty.</p>
<p>B.  Say them, and are open to criticism when it&#8217;s suggested that we&#8217;re wrong.</p>
<p>But my suggestion here is that there is a segment of society which is not worth reaching.  I&#8217;m not saying I want to deny their happiness.  I want them to be as happy as they can be, while they live their sheltered, ignorant lives into the ground.</p>
<p>I remember, after my grandmother died, I had this argument with my mother, who was using the guilt factor on my brother and me (brother and I are agnostic):</p>
<p>She:  &#8220;She didn&#8217;t question it, like you two.  She just BELIEVED ON IT.&#8221;</p>
<p>Me:  &#8220;Yeah, well, good for her.&#8221;</p>
<p>Grandmother was also a rank bigot who, after finding out I was gay, wrote an 8 page handwritten hate letter to me (FOR MY BIRTHDAY!), and who bitched and moaned about the gay pride parade in Hot Springs, Arkansas.  Oh, also, she was not a fan of the niggers, I mean coloreds, I mean blacks.</p>
<p>So seriously, fuck her.  And all people like her.  They&#8217;re dying faster than their kind can reproduce.  Why in the hell should we coddle them and spend our precious lives trying to find fucking &#8220;common ground&#8221; with them?  Give me a goddamned break.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see your point, Valorie, but I have a life to live, and I no longer give a damn about trying to reach the bigots in our society.

Fuck them.

Pure demographics say they're going to be gone long before I am, unless a tidal wave takes me out.

Seriously, I'm 29, and I don't know how old you are, but I am SO through.  "They" might as well not exist in my country.  We will move on without them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see your point, Valorie, but I have a life to live, and I no longer give a damn about trying to reach the bigots in our society.</p>
<p>Fuck them.</p>
<p>Pure demographics say they&#8217;re going to be gone long before I am, unless a tidal wave takes me out.</p>
<p>Seriously, I&#8217;m 29, and I don&#8217;t know how old you are, but I am SO through.  &#8220;They&#8221; might as well not exist in my country.  We will move on without them.</p>
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